1 00:00:39,940 --> 00:00:43,741 UNDER THE STATUTE OF THE CHILD AND THE ADOLESCENT OF 1963, 2 00:00:43,742 --> 00:00:47,619 CHILDREN FROM THE TEN YEARS ARE JUDGED BY HOMIC DIO 3 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:50,287 AS ADULTS, IN ENGLAND AND WALES. 4 00:00:59,892 --> 00:01:04,199 BASED ON A REAL STORY 5 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,360 How old are you, Rafael? 6 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,319 I'm 12. 7 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,239 Do you understand the reason for being arrested? 8 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,319 - Yes, I understand. - Right. 9 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,879 An incident occurred on Wednesday morning, 10 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,600 where a person was murdered. 11 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,760 It is known that four people were at the crime scene, 12 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,920 one has the name of the detainee. 13 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,959 The detainee arrived at this police station tonight 14 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,679 and was arrested on suspicion of murder. 15 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,480 Do you understand that? 16 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,520 I understand. 17 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,719 So, based on that information, 18 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,839 I will authorize your arrest here 19 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,844 so that we can question, guarantee and preserve evidence. 20 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,599 A guardian counselor will come to support you. 21 00:01:52,172 --> 00:01:54,745 - Are you okay? - Yes. 31 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,079 Okay, just more than nine hours in an adult cell? 32 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,319 - It's illegal. - Where else to put it? 33 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,799 Have you tried to contact the local authorities? 34 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,799 - They arrived at night. - Terrible for daytime. 35 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,199 The law states that every police station 36 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,684 have a cell for children. 37 00:02:37,685 --> 00:02:40,159 He's accused of murder, not running away from school. 38 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,359 - But you're still a child! - It's a Victorian building, Pete. 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Yeah, the Victorians are right. 40 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,879 There, why did it take so long? 41 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,696 Some idiot up there put the brothers for the same firm. 42 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Come on. 43 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,440 I'm Pete. Your attorney. 44 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,322 That is, I will guide you through all of this. 45 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,374 I know my appearance is not the best, 46 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:23,675 but can i sit? 47 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,120 He certainly prefers to be called Ray. 48 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Im gonna tell you something. 49 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,240 My full name. 50 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Petrotheus. 51 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,320 All life. 52 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Literally. 53 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,340 Have you eaten? 54 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,320 Let's see what we have... 55 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,960 It's not a rabbit, but... 56 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,280 With the. There's one for you. 57 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:38,479 I am in private consultation with my client. 58 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,119 Okay. 59 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,799 I see... See you soon, Rafael. 60 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Right. 61 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,679 A guardian counselor. Do not trust him. 62 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,999 It is mandatory by law. 63 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,479 So, if you say something, 64 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,799 and he hears, 65 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,807 can be used against you in court. 66 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,240 Don't say anything. Except for me. 67 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Are you okay? 68 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Now... 69 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,879 We need to prepare a statement. 70 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,639 So that, in the interrogation, 71 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,399 all you need to answer will be: 72 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,979 "Nothing to say." 73 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,940 Are you okay? 74 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,040 Great. 75 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,239 I have no interest. 76 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,079 Good afternoon for you too. 77 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,039 Kerry, I have something you're going to... 78 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,039 Look, I haven't received it yet 79 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,922 for that last legal aid fiasco. 80 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,012 - Homicide. - Yes, you can come to that. 81 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,239 A child. 82 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,159 - Murdered? - No. 83 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,680 Killer. 84 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,887 You need a specialized lawyer. 85 00:06:03,233 --> 00:06:04,687 I convinced you, didn't I? 86 00:06:04,688 --> 00:06:06,319 Continues. 87 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,559 You would think the boy is innocent, 88 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,879 while the murder itself is very brutal, 89 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,559 Kerry, seriously, I've never seen anything like it. 90 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,679 I need to go back now. 91 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,437 I'll call you later, right? 92 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:21,357 Okay. 93 00:06:21,358 --> 00:06:22,658 Right. 94 00:06:31,333 --> 00:06:33,633 In the testimony, he said he couldn't live with 95 00:06:33,634 --> 00:06:35,784 with your father's drinking and temperament. 96 00:06:36,867 --> 00:06:38,886 So, on the 15th of June last year, 97 00:06:38,887 --> 00:06:42,183 packed after school and left, 98 00:06:42,823 --> 00:06:45,624 to be with your mother and yours your big brother. 99 00:06:46,291 --> 00:06:47,591 Is that correct? 100 00:07:47,970 --> 00:07:49,270 Hi. 101 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:55,201 What... 102 00:07:57,818 --> 00:07:59,518 I can't stay with Dad anymore. 103 00:08:01,689 --> 00:08:03,033 Who is this hour? 104 00:08:05,281 --> 00:08:07,418 Don't worry about him, okay? 105 00:08:19,581 --> 00:08:20,881 Hello, Ray. 106 00:08:21,596 --> 00:08:22,896 Hi, mom. 107 00:08:24,992 --> 00:08:26,375 A little late for a visit, Ray. 108 00:08:28,434 --> 00:08:31,244 He will stay. 109 00:08:32,082 --> 00:08:33,432 If it's okay, Scott. 110 00:08:34,630 --> 00:08:37,737 For tonight? Is the sofa good? 111 00:08:37,738 --> 00:08:39,038 No. 112 00:08:39,905 --> 00:08:41,488 For a little bit more, maybe. 113 00:08:46,215 --> 00:08:47,515 We have no space, Ray. 114 00:08:48,593 --> 00:08:49,893 Sorry, partner. 115 00:08:51,282 --> 00:08:52,668 Stay tonight. 116 00:08:52,669 --> 00:08:54,883 But tomorrow you go back to your father's house. 117 00:08:57,527 --> 00:08:58,983 He can't go back there. 118 00:09:00,802 --> 00:09:02,102 Mother? 119 00:09:03,873 --> 00:09:05,928 - What are you calling her for? - The House... 120 00:09:06,902 --> 00:09:08,202 The house is hers. 121 00:09:15,247 --> 00:09:16,547 "The house is hers." 122 00:09:18,535 --> 00:09:20,074 It is the municipality's drug. 123 00:09:20,688 --> 00:09:22,033 It's in my name. 124 00:09:24,729 --> 00:09:26,402 Mine is in the accounts. 125 00:09:28,384 --> 00:09:30,234 We barely have money to feed ourselves, 126 00:09:30,235 --> 00:09:31,935 not to mention wasted space. 127 00:09:31,936 --> 00:09:33,358 Don't talk about my brother like that. 128 00:09:33,359 --> 00:09:35,965 The house belongs to our mother. And Ray has nowhere else. 129 00:09:35,966 --> 00:09:37,966 Get out of your father's house with him! 130 00:09:39,442 --> 00:09:41,288 I will not leave you alone with mom. 131 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:44,840 What did you say? 132 00:09:48,437 --> 00:09:50,248 Nathan didn't say anything. 133 00:10:04,715 --> 00:10:06,185 In my own home. 134 00:10:06,186 --> 00:10:07,856 After a day's work, 135 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:09,544 trying to keep a roof over us 136 00:10:09,545 --> 00:10:11,244 and he comes to tell me this and that? 137 00:10:11,245 --> 00:10:13,824 Everything is fine. Wait for me. 138 00:10:15,153 --> 00:10:17,004 I'll fix it, okay? 139 00:10:22,358 --> 00:10:24,830 Never talk to me like that again! 140 00:10:24,831 --> 00:10:27,746 I just want to help my brother, he has nowhere else to live. 141 00:10:28,063 --> 00:10:30,389 Why don't you leave me alone with your mother? 142 00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:32,051 - You know why. - Why? 143 00:10:32,052 --> 00:10:33,702 Because I know exactly what you are like. 144 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:37,257 I'm fucking going to kill you! 145 00:10:40,362 --> 00:10:41,662 What you... 146 00:11:27,407 --> 00:11:29,182 Can you sign for me? 147 00:11:32,995 --> 00:11:34,880 Thank you. We will be in touch. 148 00:11:34,881 --> 00:11:36,181 Thank you. 149 00:11:49,228 --> 00:11:51,649 Please, it's my family's home. 150 00:12:15,768 --> 00:12:17,268 I was happy to see your name. 151 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:19,894 I say the same, dear. How are things going? 152 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:22,340 I'm taking. 153 00:12:32,177 --> 00:12:35,376 I will introduce you briefly to Mrs. Stephens, 154 00:12:35,377 --> 00:12:37,267 who will be your defense attorney, 155 00:12:37,268 --> 00:12:39,108 along with the rest of the team. 156 00:12:39,469 --> 00:12:43,722 Today is not exactly about you, 157 00:12:43,723 --> 00:12:45,023 it's just about... 158 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:49,766 Right. 159 00:12:49,767 --> 00:12:52,139 - Kerry. How are you? - Hello, Pete. 160 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:54,196 This is Ray. 161 00:12:56,272 --> 00:12:57,572 Hello, Ray. 162 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:00,250 I'm Kerry. 163 00:13:00,592 --> 00:13:02,628 I will be in charge of your defense. 164 00:13:03,113 --> 00:13:05,279 If you don't like me or don't trust me, 165 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,120 Pete will find someone else. 166 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,528 Great. 167 00:13:10,529 --> 00:13:11,925 Now... 168 00:13:11,926 --> 00:13:14,378 This is Gary from the Youth Inflation Team. 169 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:16,250 - Okay, dude? - He is responsible 170 00:13:16,251 --> 00:13:19,126 for following your case up to the sentence. 171 00:13:19,127 --> 00:13:21,577 - And this... - Grace. 172 00:13:21,578 --> 00:13:23,291 Guardianship Council. 173 00:13:26,921 --> 00:13:28,560 Okay, guys. Hands to work. 174 00:13:28,561 --> 00:13:30,000 Ray? 175 00:13:34,372 --> 00:13:36,298 She exaggerated a little bit, 176 00:13:36,764 --> 00:13:38,924 but she will defend you until the end. 177 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:43,514 Now, we need to prepare for your preliminary hearing. 178 00:13:43,828 --> 00:13:46,678 The police are looking for charges about Scott, 179 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,238 then he'll be in custody for a while. 180 00:13:49,239 --> 00:13:52,423 It would just be you and the kids for a while. 181 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:56,980 We know that you had family bonding problems in the past. 182 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:00,197 Please don't take me another baby. 183 00:14:00,198 --> 00:14:02,160 Veronica, that’s been a long time 184 00:14:02,161 --> 00:14:05,470 and you've been doing really well ever since. Are you okay? 185 00:14:06,533 --> 00:14:08,577 We want to make sure everything is okay 186 00:14:08,578 --> 00:14:12,018 since Scott is not here to help you with the kids. 187 00:14:12,019 --> 00:14:14,739 That is what this assessment is about. 188 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:24,278 - I thought you were at work? - I will go later. 189 00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:29,336 He won't be entitled to bail, you know. 190 00:14:29,646 --> 00:14:30,954 I know. 191 00:14:31,866 --> 00:14:33,200 I know. 192 00:14:36,033 --> 00:14:38,035 Do you want to play Days Of Battle ? 193 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:44,910 "Be brave" 194 00:14:44,911 --> 00:14:47,282 before the shadows that approach you 195 00:14:47,283 --> 00:14:51,534 because we will resist until the light returns again! 196 00:14:51,535 --> 00:14:53,178 In a little while, Ray. 197 00:14:53,179 --> 00:14:54,700 Beauty? 198 00:14:57,540 --> 00:14:59,060 Positive. 199 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,440 What a good boy. 200 00:15:50,843 --> 00:15:53,672 Be brave before the shadows that approach you, 201 00:15:53,673 --> 00:15:57,216 because we will resist until the light returns again. 202 00:16:24,675 --> 00:16:26,627 Invisible, sonny. 203 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,136 You used to be. 204 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,418 You are saying that we will do nothing 205 00:16:50,419 --> 00:16:54,140 unless they do not arrest you in the care of the Municipality? 206 00:17:13,060 --> 00:17:14,708 Are you okay? 207 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:18,690 Court, standing. 208 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:29,409 Please get up. 209 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:33,778 Rafael McCullin. 210 00:17:33,779 --> 00:17:35,972 Needless to say, how deeply sad 211 00:17:35,973 --> 00:17:38,778 it costs me to see you here today accused of murdering a man. 212 00:17:38,779 --> 00:17:40,692 And brutally. 213 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:43,585 Having examined everything to sentence so far, 214 00:17:43,586 --> 00:17:47,666 I am referring you to a host institution 215 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:49,802 until the trial happens. 216 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:51,726 Understood? 217 00:17:53,946 --> 00:17:57,280 - Got it. - "I understand, Your Honor." 218 00:17:58,194 --> 00:17:59,834 I understand, Your Honor. 219 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:03,821 Nathaniel McCullin. 220 00:18:04,965 --> 00:18:08,136 You will be held in pre-trial detention until trial. 221 00:18:08,137 --> 00:18:10,040 But we will stay in the same place. 222 00:18:10,848 --> 00:18:12,340 Won't we stay, Pete? 223 00:18:15,914 --> 00:18:17,478 But we need to stay. 224 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,807 Can you ask him, please? 225 00:18:19,808 --> 00:18:21,440 All standing. 226 00:19:31,007 --> 00:19:32,619 Come on. Down, go down. 227 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:35,592 That's right. Do you want...? 228 00:19:36,213 --> 00:19:37,607 Okay, wait over there. 229 00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:39,940 One two... 230 00:19:43,544 --> 00:19:45,185 See you later, okay, mom? 231 00:20:00,620 --> 00:20:03,537 "The little ones pushed Percival forward," 232 00:20:03,538 --> 00:20:05,451 then they left him alone. 233 00:20:05,452 --> 00:20:07,684 "He was in the grass up to his knees, 234 00:20:07,685 --> 00:20:11,760 "looking at the hidden feet, trying to pretend..." 235 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,882 Sorry I'm late. 236 00:20:30,883 --> 00:20:32,638 For, I don't know, the millionth time. 237 00:20:33,215 --> 00:20:34,907 Right, thank you. 238 00:20:34,908 --> 00:20:37,272 Ray, can you please wait after class? 239 00:20:37,273 --> 00:20:40,077 Dalbinder, can you please share with Ray? 240 00:20:40,078 --> 00:20:42,104 And, Gemma, continue. 241 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:44,245 Something stinks here. 242 00:20:44,946 --> 00:20:47,865 Okay, enough! Thank you! 243 00:20:47,866 --> 00:20:49,166 Gemma. 244 00:20:49,899 --> 00:20:52,406 "Ralph remembered another boy" 245 00:20:52,407 --> 00:20:54,049 that was like this 246 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:56,297 and moved away from your memory. 247 00:20:56,859 --> 00:20:58,539 "He pushed his"... 248 00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:00,646 "He pushed the thought away." 249 00:21:00,647 --> 00:21:03,610 So, the services 250 00:21:04,071 --> 00:21:06,038 told us about the Crown having increased 251 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:08,891 the accusation of his stepfather for attempted murder. 252 00:21:10,385 --> 00:21:12,000 How do you feel about all this? 253 00:21:15,234 --> 00:21:17,103 Is your mother handling this well? 254 00:21:19,074 --> 00:21:20,374 Are you? 255 00:21:21,784 --> 00:21:24,003 And your older brother? Is he okay? 256 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,340 Ray? 257 00:21:30,735 --> 00:21:33,196 I'm going to have to miss you, Ray. 258 00:21:33,197 --> 00:21:34,532 Nathan is fine. 259 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:37,561 We are all fine. 260 00:21:39,254 --> 00:21:40,594 Thank you. 261 00:21:44,025 --> 00:21:45,325 Right. 262 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:47,641 Good... 263 00:21:48,321 --> 00:21:50,586 A special school scholarship 264 00:21:50,939 --> 00:21:52,438 can you help a little? 265 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:56,068 Please? 266 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:59,896 Buy something or some clothes for the Day Without Uniform. 267 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,600 Right? 268 00:23:01,142 --> 00:23:02,482 Excuse me. 269 00:23:07,763 --> 00:23:09,088 Is everything okay, mother? 270 00:23:10,096 --> 00:23:12,012 I let it warm up for a long time. 271 00:23:12,738 --> 00:23:14,054 It's okay. 272 00:23:19,706 --> 00:23:21,918 - Bon appetito! - Thank you. 273 00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:30,419 The boy must be computer graphics. 274 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:32,025 Who makes moves like that? 275 00:23:32,026 --> 00:23:34,384 - Or a robot. - That. 276 00:23:34,385 --> 00:23:36,699 Like, psycho robot kid, 277 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,481 that breaks the courts into pieces. 278 00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:49,939 I don't want this psychological test touching the boy's head. 279 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:52,343 He's already in a very vulnerable state. 280 00:23:52,344 --> 00:23:53,890 I know. 281 00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:55,209 Hi. 282 00:23:55,666 --> 00:23:57,597 I would like to talk to myself first. 283 00:23:57,598 --> 00:23:59,119 Are you all right, Rafael? 284 00:24:01,204 --> 00:24:02,504 All right? 285 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:32,244 Do you know why you're here, Rafael? 286 00:24:35,369 --> 00:24:37,352 To see if I'm okay for the trial. 287 00:24:37,353 --> 00:24:40,165 Yes good. Able to defend himself. 288 00:24:44,282 --> 00:24:45,665 I get lost in it. 289 00:24:46,408 --> 00:24:49,095 The universe. It is like the mind. 290 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:50,665 Our own unknown. 291 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:56,472 It is called the Pillars of Creation. 292 00:24:57,191 --> 00:24:58,495 Good, 293 00:24:59,875 --> 00:25:01,972 this is wonderful. Thank you. 294 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,138 Do you like the space, then? 295 00:25:07,862 --> 00:25:09,955 I like astronomy. 296 00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:11,788 Yes. 297 00:25:12,781 --> 00:25:15,226 Clear. Do you miss school? 298 00:25:16,922 --> 00:25:18,222 A little. 299 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,079 Have you ever gotten into a fight? 300 00:25:22,447 --> 00:25:23,785 Not really. 301 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,000 An. 302 00:25:28,696 --> 00:25:30,036 And what happened? 303 00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:34,389 You won? 304 00:25:36,113 --> 00:25:37,416 It was separated. 305 00:25:39,228 --> 00:25:40,594 I was suspended. 306 00:25:42,187 --> 00:25:43,641 Would you like to talk about it? 307 00:25:47,652 --> 00:25:49,170 I crushed a ladybug. 308 00:25:50,793 --> 00:25:52,099 I killed her. 309 00:25:53,017 --> 00:25:54,617 Because of the suspension? 310 00:25:55,295 --> 00:25:56,600 No. 311 00:25:58,428 --> 00:26:00,013 I don't know. 312 00:26:00,014 --> 00:26:01,319 Okay. 313 00:26:02,217 --> 00:26:03,733 So, how do you feel? 314 00:26:03,734 --> 00:26:05,408 In a school from one to ten, 315 00:26:05,409 --> 00:26:07,988 one being great, ten being terrible. 316 00:26:15,148 --> 00:26:16,449 Nine? 317 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:17,888 Right. 318 00:26:18,633 --> 00:26:21,343 So why do you think it makes you feel so bad? 319 00:26:25,357 --> 00:26:26,695 Because you didn't deserve that. 320 00:26:28,765 --> 00:26:30,855 She hasn't done anything wrong. 321 00:26:32,541 --> 00:26:33,841 I killed. 322 00:26:35,752 --> 00:26:37,488 Does anything make you feel ten? 323 00:26:39,429 --> 00:26:40,729 My brother. 324 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:42,609 Nathan. 325 00:26:44,129 --> 00:26:45,429 And Christie. 326 00:26:47,697 --> 00:26:48,997 And Serena. 327 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:51,610 And mom. 328 00:26:52,957 --> 00:26:54,257 And Scott? 329 00:26:58,852 --> 00:27:00,152 What happened? 330 00:27:02,879 --> 00:27:05,696 Did it make you feel ten too? 331 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:09,200 Nine, then? 332 00:27:11,101 --> 00:27:12,668 Eight? 333 00:27:12,669 --> 00:27:14,669 Okay. All right. 334 00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:16,886 I can give you some tips for now, 335 00:27:16,887 --> 00:27:18,602 for when you feel that way. 336 00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:20,651 Breathing exercises. 337 00:27:23,197 --> 00:27:24,525 All right? 338 00:27:29,959 --> 00:27:32,507 Rafael showed symptoms 339 00:27:32,508 --> 00:27:34,961 of post-traumatic stress disorder. 340 00:27:34,962 --> 00:27:38,721 He's starting to remember the murder. 341 00:27:38,722 --> 00:27:40,023 Fragments. 342 00:27:40,024 --> 00:27:42,191 But he is not ready to deal with this. 343 00:27:42,192 --> 00:27:43,921 To deal? In what way? 344 00:27:43,922 --> 00:27:46,306 Rafael refuses to accept 345 00:27:46,307 --> 00:27:48,618 any responsibility for the murder. 346 00:27:49,118 --> 00:27:51,570 Instead, he believes it was the victim's fault. 347 00:27:51,571 --> 00:27:53,983 And what do you think of him? 348 00:27:53,984 --> 00:27:56,041 Well, I'm going to need to do the report. 349 00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:57,343 Informally? 350 00:27:57,344 --> 00:28:00,408 He has no obvious psychopathic traits. 351 00:28:00,409 --> 00:28:03,069 He demonstrates clear empathy and sensitivity. 352 00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:05,399 And how can he get through this? 353 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,709 The child in court? 354 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:08,752 He's smart, articulate, 355 00:28:08,753 --> 00:28:12,096 but reserved. Independent. 356 00:28:12,097 --> 00:28:14,096 Add the pressure of the scenario... 357 00:28:14,097 --> 00:28:17,197 So, insensitive. Dishonest. 358 00:28:17,198 --> 00:28:19,575 He hasn't been traumatized enough, apparently 359 00:28:19,576 --> 00:28:23,624 You know, if Rafael is tried by the Juvenile Court, 360 00:28:23,625 --> 00:28:25,818 the decision would rest exclusively with the judge, 361 00:28:27,852 --> 00:28:30,601 who would make a decision based on 362 00:28:30,602 --> 00:28:33,213 in all aspects of that child's life. 363 00:28:34,306 --> 00:28:35,622 But this is a homicide. 364 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:38,191 And he has to face a jury. 365 00:28:38,661 --> 00:28:41,503 So, we judge a ten year old child, 366 00:28:43,439 --> 00:28:45,850 who, by law, cannot buy a damn hamster 367 00:28:45,851 --> 00:28:47,320 until 16, when you are an adult? 368 00:28:47,321 --> 00:28:50,245 Well, we have no middle ground here, so... 369 00:28:50,807 --> 00:28:54,014 Look, he's lucky to have you guys fighting for him. 370 00:28:55,918 --> 00:28:58,713 Not all the children I see here have, I tell you. 371 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:03,551 Is there anything else we can use? 372 00:29:03,552 --> 00:29:05,874 PTSD? You mentioned that Ray had... 373 00:29:05,875 --> 00:29:07,475 Repercussions of the act. 374 00:29:09,208 --> 00:29:11,416 Also possibly from other 375 00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:14,192 accumulated experiences of violence. 376 00:29:14,193 --> 00:29:16,353 Any other mitigating factors? 377 00:30:11,873 --> 00:30:13,480 You seem surprised to see me. 378 00:30:14,983 --> 00:30:16,834 The court did not believe your brother. 379 00:30:16,835 --> 00:30:18,135 I was acquitted. 380 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:27,320 Ray, 381 00:30:27,321 --> 00:30:28,719 this is my house. 382 00:30:31,675 --> 00:30:34,057 And there's no way you and your brother 383 00:30:34,058 --> 00:30:35,742 get rid of me again. 384 00:30:45,709 --> 00:30:47,238 Are they for the little ones? 385 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:52,636 Look at you! 386 00:30:52,637 --> 00:30:56,161 I missed you so much, you little munchkins. 387 00:30:56,162 --> 00:30:57,471 Come here! 388 00:30:57,472 --> 00:30:59,515 Fuck it. 389 00:31:01,576 --> 00:31:03,190 What do you have to? 390 00:31:03,191 --> 00:31:07,086 Go away. Go away! 391 00:31:07,087 --> 00:31:10,099 - I'm not going anywhere. - Go away! Go away! 392 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,818 - Go away! - I'm not going anywhere, man. 393 00:31:13,554 --> 00:31:16,251 I can't do it. This cannot be real... 394 00:31:25,297 --> 00:31:27,307 The man was sleeping on the couch. 395 00:31:27,308 --> 00:31:29,508 They went down the stairs to kill him. 396 00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:31,291 It is forethought. End. 397 00:31:31,292 --> 00:31:32,692 Because of what their mother 398 00:31:32,693 --> 00:31:34,799 I told Nathan that Scott was going to... 399 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,342 Finish the work. Exact. 400 00:31:37,343 --> 00:31:41,326 In which we only have the words of Nathan and Veronica. 401 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:45,003 And I'm not going to put his mother on the witness stand. 402 00:31:45,667 --> 00:31:48,301 - And as for him... - Christ. 403 00:31:48,302 --> 00:31:51,037 The poor guy was in a terrible state. 404 00:31:51,837 --> 00:31:54,644 His audience will show that. It's their asset. 405 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:58,580 And ours too. 406 00:31:59,618 --> 00:32:00,918 Perhaps. 407 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,980 Ray 408 00:32:08,055 --> 00:32:11,681 sees the older and beloved brother at the door, in that state, 409 00:32:11,682 --> 00:32:15,639 saying you are in danger of life, 410 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,299 added to the experience of previous trauma, 411 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,600 resulting... 412 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,658 Where there is a fear of serious violence, 413 00:32:33,659 --> 00:32:36,549 must be in relation to violence against the defendant 414 00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:39,573 or another identified person. 415 00:32:39,574 --> 00:32:41,035 Common Nathan. 416 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:48,353 It's a long shot that the prosecution will attack, 417 00:32:48,354 --> 00:32:51,225 but the loss of control need not be at the moment. 418 00:32:51,625 --> 00:32:53,859 If we show that it was built over time, 419 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:55,460 we will have a chance. 420 00:33:03,817 --> 00:33:05,322 what is a problem. 421 00:33:07,824 --> 00:33:10,118 You have no idea what is going to hit him. 422 00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:15,878 Ray, because of your age, 423 00:33:15,879 --> 00:33:18,988 the Crown has certain concessions it can make. 424 00:33:19,688 --> 00:33:23,168 Prefer to sit with your legal team, we 425 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:24,852 or alone? 426 00:33:24,853 --> 00:33:27,516 With you, please, but what about Nathan? 427 00:33:27,517 --> 00:33:30,609 The team will take care of him. We need... 428 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,626 You need... 429 00:33:33,627 --> 00:33:37,478 Ray, look at me when I talk to you, please. 430 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,700 Thanks. 431 00:33:40,175 --> 00:33:42,993 He needs to focus on you now. 432 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:45,106 Nobody else. 433 00:33:45,107 --> 00:33:46,864 It's very important, Ray. 434 00:33:46,865 --> 00:33:49,971 In a few days, you will be in court 435 00:33:49,972 --> 00:33:53,854 with everyone looking at you as if you were the son of Dr cula. 436 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:58,069 - You need to be ready. - Yes, fine. 437 00:33:58,699 --> 00:34:02,340 The Crown will press for wrongful death. 438 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,527 What's the difference? 439 00:34:06,528 --> 00:34:08,547 Between wrongful and intentional murder? 440 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:11,179 Ten years or more in prison, maybe. 441 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,174 If you were a 30 year old man 442 00:34:14,175 --> 00:34:16,118 with the mind of someone your age, 443 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,518 he would not be considered fit for judgment. But it isn't, Ray. 444 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,939 I will fight... 445 00:34:23,515 --> 00:34:26,595 so that you have as much life as possible. 446 00:34:26,596 --> 00:34:29,970 But I need you to be strong for me. 447 00:34:29,971 --> 00:34:31,371 Are you okay? 448 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,046 So, we go with loss of control. 449 00:34:36,047 --> 00:34:38,708 And what we hope will help in this defense, 450 00:34:38,709 --> 00:34:41,222 is the fact that Nathan testifies, 451 00:34:41,223 --> 00:34:44,473 saying he went into his room that night. 452 00:34:45,042 --> 00:34:47,862 - Right? - Yes. 453 00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:52,816 He says he feared for his life, 454 00:34:52,817 --> 00:34:56,046 so you felt you had no other choice 455 00:34:56,047 --> 00:34:57,905 other than going down the stairs with him. 456 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,788 That was what happened? 457 00:35:03,123 --> 00:35:05,126 Yes it was. 458 00:35:05,127 --> 00:35:06,527 Okay, Ray. 459 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:10,772 Great. And then... 460 00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:16,134 you lost control, didn't you? 461 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,700 Right. 462 00:35:23,408 --> 00:35:25,135 Sneaky, my son. 463 00:35:25,136 --> 00:35:29,156 Now stay tuned. They are coming from all sides. 464 00:35:34,824 --> 00:35:37,099 They need a place to stay, Scott. 465 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,534 Those boys tried to send me away! 466 00:35:42,535 --> 00:35:46,239 - They're my boys! - Nathan is there, laughing at me! 467 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,958 And he better stay there if he knows what's good for him. 468 00:35:48,959 --> 00:35:52,198 The only place where I have peace is in that damn shed! 469 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,099 And that is my space! 470 00:37:00,649 --> 00:37:02,049 EVIDENCE BAG 471 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,102 You sit right here, okay? 472 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,260 All standing. 473 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,918 Before this trial can formally begin, 474 00:38:49,919 --> 00:38:52,474 a request was made for the restrictions 475 00:38:52,475 --> 00:38:54,589 the Section 39 press are revoked. 476 00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:57,071 - Is it really worth it? - And I must agree. 477 00:38:57,072 --> 00:38:59,179 The sheer ferocity of the attack 478 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:01,736 makes it of interest to the public. 479 00:39:01,737 --> 00:39:04,299 But identifying the boy will compromise his future, 480 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,919 especially in that case. 481 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,199 It is decided, Miss. Stephens. 482 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,888 Call the jury, please. 483 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,402 Be brave before the shadows that approach you. 484 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:37,000 For we will resist until the light returns again. 485 00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:39,778 Defendants, stand up. 486 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,040 Stand up. 487 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,299 Rafael Jack McCullin, you are accused of murder 488 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,759 Scott Adam Jameson, and pleads not guilty. 489 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,100 Now you can sit. 490 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,579 Nathaniel Martin McCullin, you too 491 00:39:57,580 --> 00:40:00,199 is charged with the murder of Scott Adam Jameson, 492 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,879 and pleads not guilty. 493 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,220 Now you can sit. 494 00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:20,559 It was a horrible and merciless attack 495 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,494 against a man who slept helplessly, 496 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,514 however, both defendants have a partial defense. 497 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,380 Loss of control. 498 00:40:29,897 --> 00:40:32,219 Reducing intentional homicide to wrongful death, 499 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:34,459 arguing that, that night, 500 00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:38,145 the brothers acted with immediate fear for their lives. 501 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,778 The Crown will expose a murder in cold blood... 502 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:44,778 generated by anger. 503 00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:50,007 Pure premeditated revenge. 504 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,040 And we must ask, what did they talk about in Rafael's room? 505 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,919 What happened behind that door, 506 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,851 before they go down the stairs and cruelly kill their stepfather? 507 00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:07,892 Willful murder or wrongful death? 508 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,778 Revenge? 509 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,060 Or loss of control? 510 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:23,118 Look at his clothes! Good heavens. 511 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:25,818 Look at Grandpa's vest. 512 00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:27,119 Idiot! 513 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,380 It is totally wrong. 514 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,140 Why are you still in uniform? 515 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:37,580 What about, stinky? 516 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,980 What did you say? 517 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,980 Fight! Fight! 518 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,912 I still have two visits today. Sorry, Amber. There. 519 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,575 In between. Sit down. 520 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,579 Thanks. 521 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:20,118 Sorry, sorry. 522 00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:24,647 I am more difficult than woodworm to leave the house. 523 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,938 Why were you fighting? 524 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,075 The school called a multiprofessional meeting 525 00:42:32,076 --> 00:42:35,713 because we care about the effects on Ray 526 00:42:35,714 --> 00:42:38,012 and his brothers with his return home, 527 00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:39,313 mr. Jameson. 528 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,519 Social Work, as you know, 529 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,059 he does not believe that children need help. 530 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:46,599 We believe that things have improved a lot 531 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,859 at home since mr. Jameson, 532 00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:52,753 especially for the little ones who are calmer with it. 533 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,587 Ray isn’t calmer, 534 00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:57,919 as it became clear at lunch. 535 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,939 The conflict was with the older brother. 536 00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:03,299 Yes, but the trauma of the incident for Ray... 537 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:04,638 Trauma? 538 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,960 Ray? 539 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:09,200 What trauma? 540 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,300 I don't know. 541 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,799 He had a fight, that's all. A fight. 542 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,959 Nathaniel continues to live with you. 543 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,280 Isn't that right, Veronica? 544 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,846 Everything is fine now. 545 00:43:27,847 --> 00:43:31,335 The Queen herself said so, or I would not be here. 546 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,300 Everything is fine now. 547 00:43:37,794 --> 00:43:39,575 I would like to know about Ray. 548 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,020 Ray? 549 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,400 Is everything okay at home now? 550 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,227 57 stabs in the back, in varying depths. 551 00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,278 12 deep wounds on the upper right chest. 552 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:03,858 Some have pierced their right lung. 553 00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:08,506 An attempt at decapitation, all arteries cut, 554 00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:12,210 just a part of the skin connecting the head to the body. 555 00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,508 Many cuts on the palms of the hands. 556 00:44:16,509 --> 00:44:18,180 All were defensive injuries. 557 00:44:20,597 --> 00:44:23,019 Excuse. Thanks. 558 00:44:39,573 --> 00:44:40,873 Kerry. 559 00:44:42,404 --> 00:44:43,909 Where's Ray? 560 00:44:45,901 --> 00:44:47,518 Would you like to say something? 561 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,378 Come on, Ray. 562 00:44:49,776 --> 00:44:51,940 Could you get out? 563 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,357 Now everyone will know. 564 00:45:06,398 --> 00:45:07,798 With the. 565 00:45:58,445 --> 00:46:00,258 Where did my older brother go? 566 00:46:02,888 --> 00:46:04,391 I don't know. 567 00:46:08,873 --> 00:46:10,738 Bring him back! 568 00:46:10,739 --> 00:46:12,739 Bring him back! 569 00:46:32,681 --> 00:46:35,018 See the state! 570 00:46:35,019 --> 00:46:36,681 See the state of this place! 571 00:46:36,682 --> 00:46:39,712 Why do I work so hard for all of us? 572 00:46:40,078 --> 00:46:43,265 - Calm. Take it easy. - Calm? 573 00:46:43,266 --> 00:46:45,375 Don't tell me to take it easy! 574 00:46:45,376 --> 00:46:47,936 When this place is rubbish and they still live here! 575 00:46:47,937 --> 00:46:50,562 They just make fun of you! 576 00:46:50,563 --> 00:46:54,125 - You don't have to stay here. - What did you say? 577 00:46:54,617 --> 00:46:58,047 Don't talk to me like that, do you hear me? 578 00:46:58,048 --> 00:47:01,180 In my own home! Everything depends on me! 579 00:47:01,181 --> 00:47:04,066 And you don't lift a finger. Everything depends on me! 580 00:47:04,067 --> 00:47:07,868 Nothing ever changes! You don't do anything, woman! 581 00:47:07,869 --> 00:47:09,709 You don't lift a finger! 582 00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:13,321 How about you... 583 00:47:13,322 --> 00:47:15,646 Come here, you useless idiot! 584 00:47:16,138 --> 00:47:19,185 Get down here now! We will! 585 00:47:20,185 --> 00:47:21,779 I knew you wouldn't come down. 586 00:47:29,836 --> 00:47:32,007 We established that Nathaniel 587 00:47:32,008 --> 00:47:35,179 is in deep depression, at least for the moment, 588 00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:39,151 which we also know is not a defense. 589 00:47:39,152 --> 00:47:41,102 But what about Rafael? 590 00:47:41,103 --> 00:47:43,237 In your report, doctor, 591 00:47:43,238 --> 00:47:46,339 you say he is only aware. 592 00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:48,956 A brilliant boy for his age. 593 00:47:48,957 --> 00:47:52,004 As able to defend himself as the older brother. 594 00:47:52,005 --> 00:47:54,746 Yes, but also not. 595 00:47:54,747 --> 00:47:56,555 I don't understand. What is the option? 596 00:47:56,556 --> 00:48:00,667 A child's mind is not shaped like that of an adult. 597 00:48:00,668 --> 00:48:04,106 Different aspects progress at different rates 598 00:48:04,107 --> 00:48:05,773 during the growth period. 599 00:48:05,774 --> 00:48:08,757 Even so, he assessed Rafael fit for trial. 600 00:48:08,758 --> 00:48:12,111 - Does he understand the accusation? - Yes, he understands. 601 00:48:12,822 --> 00:48:14,392 And he registers that he doesn't have 602 00:48:14,393 --> 00:48:17,699 psychological or psychological problems? 603 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,139 It is correct. 604 00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:22,352 In fact he is an articulate, smart child 605 00:48:22,353 --> 00:48:23,738 and able to defend itself? 606 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,039 Yes. 607 00:48:27,777 --> 00:48:29,199 Thank you, doctor. 608 00:48:29,763 --> 00:48:33,020 - Nothing to add. - Dr. Keaton, 609 00:48:33,552 --> 00:48:35,819 could you explain to us 610 00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:38,395 how does a child know the world? 611 00:48:39,129 --> 00:48:41,638 A child's reading of the world 612 00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:46,050 comes from the sensory, emotional part of the brain, 613 00:48:46,051 --> 00:48:51,013 that reacts to impulse, instinct, aggression. 614 00:48:51,693 --> 00:48:56,137 While the rational, decision-making part of the brain, 615 00:48:56,138 --> 00:48:58,388 the prefrontal cortex, 616 00:48:58,389 --> 00:49:01,642 who responds to situations with good judgment, 617 00:49:01,643 --> 00:49:06,225 it does not fully form until we are adults. 618 00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:09,864 He also fights with futures, 619 00:49:09,865 --> 00:49:14,178 understanding the long-term consequences of actions. 620 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:19,648 So there is a fundamental imbalance in capacity... 621 00:49:20,483 --> 00:49:22,006 understanding. 622 00:49:22,593 --> 00:49:25,054 Could you tell us what, perhaps, 623 00:49:25,055 --> 00:49:27,179 if it passed over a child's head 624 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:29,265 on the night of the murder, 625 00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:32,040 in response to an imminent threat of violence 626 00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:35,525 already lived before, and happening again? 627 00:49:35,868 --> 00:49:39,154 The brain of a child between 12 and 14 years old, 628 00:49:39,155 --> 00:49:42,375 would have been emotionally overwhelmed... 629 00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:45,697 and compelled to react. 630 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:48,875 Thank you, doctor. Nothing to add. 631 00:51:11,978 --> 00:51:13,877 After mr. Jameson being acquitted 632 00:51:13,878 --> 00:51:17,095 and return to the family home, the collective decision made 633 00:51:17,096 --> 00:51:20,283 was that Rafael, Serena and Christie 634 00:51:20,606 --> 00:51:23,477 they would no longer be considered children in need. 635 00:51:23,478 --> 00:51:26,689 - Right? - Yes that's right. Right. 636 00:51:27,062 --> 00:51:29,362 And why is that, Mrs. Delaney? 637 00:51:29,363 --> 00:51:31,660 The children were with their father back. 638 00:51:31,661 --> 00:51:33,955 And they seemed much happier. 639 00:51:33,956 --> 00:51:36,733 The family seemed to be a much more stable unit. 640 00:51:37,338 --> 00:51:39,954 Much more stable? Thank you. 641 00:51:48,126 --> 00:51:49,990 Children in need 642 00:51:49,991 --> 00:51:53,780 by law are children under 18 643 00:51:53,781 --> 00:51:55,790 who need support from local authority 644 00:51:55,791 --> 00:51:59,887 to prevent significant or future damage 645 00:52:00,209 --> 00:52:02,393 health or development. 646 00:52:02,394 --> 00:52:05,594 You recognize this definition as what constitutes 647 00:52:05,595 --> 00:52:08,271 a child in need for your services? 648 00:52:08,579 --> 00:52:11,147 Yes, that's right. Yes. 649 00:52:12,746 --> 00:52:17,417 Prevent significant or future damage 650 00:52:18,284 --> 00:52:20,413 health or development. 651 00:52:20,414 --> 00:52:23,722 However, after a terrible incident that Ray witnessed 652 00:52:23,723 --> 00:52:25,597 against the older brother, 653 00:52:25,933 --> 00:52:29,045 the accusation raised by this same court 654 00:52:29,046 --> 00:52:30,464 the attempted murder, 655 00:52:30,465 --> 00:52:32,749 Mr. Jameson's return to the house, 656 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:35,332 along with the weapon used in that incident, 657 00:52:35,333 --> 00:52:38,815 resulted in Rafael no longer being seen as in need. 658 00:52:38,816 --> 00:52:40,815 Is that correct, Mrs. Delaney? 659 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,447 Yes. 660 00:52:47,086 --> 00:52:48,386 Just it. 661 00:52:50,873 --> 00:52:53,139 But his story details a vicious attack 662 00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:55,399 and not provoked to a colleague. 663 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,789 After Mr. Jameson's return, yes. 664 00:52:58,106 --> 00:53:00,701 According to records, "not provoked". 665 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:03,748 So much so that Rafael was suspended. 666 00:53:04,613 --> 00:53:07,022 Is that also correct, Mrs. Lyndon? 667 00:53:08,606 --> 00:53:09,906 Yes. 668 00:53:10,217 --> 00:53:13,334 This unprovoked attack serves only as training, 669 00:53:13,335 --> 00:53:16,417 like the violent games he plays on the computer. 670 00:53:16,418 --> 00:53:17,739 Your honor. 671 00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:20,412 - Go on, Mr. Ramsden. - Just it. 672 00:53:26,713 --> 00:53:29,055 What was Rafael like as a student? 673 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:31,659 He was an exemplary student. 674 00:53:32,298 --> 00:53:37,229 And the school was aware of Rafael's role in the house 675 00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:40,447 as a caregiver for children and mothers? 676 00:53:41,179 --> 00:53:42,479 Yes. 677 00:53:43,372 --> 00:53:44,973 We're going. To a certain extent. 678 00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:49,861 And it’s not true that Rafael used a special school scholarship, 679 00:53:49,862 --> 00:53:53,359 intended to use it, use it with his half brothers, 680 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,049 the biological children of the deceased? 681 00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:57,742 Yes this is true. 682 00:53:58,356 --> 00:54:01,551 And this attack is not provoked at school. 683 00:54:02,939 --> 00:54:06,263 Would you say it was something out of the ordinary for Ray? 684 00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:10,228 Yes. Ray was a... 685 00:54:11,963 --> 00:54:14,051 He was kind and sensitive... 686 00:54:15,552 --> 00:54:18,940 I mean, he is. He still is. 687 00:54:20,946 --> 00:54:22,246 Excuse me. 688 00:54:29,226 --> 00:54:30,596 Just it. 689 00:54:43,253 --> 00:54:45,879 Kerry, don't lose your temper, but... 690 00:54:49,133 --> 00:54:50,832 Nathan will not testify. 691 00:54:58,553 --> 00:54:59,853 Nathan? 692 00:55:00,479 --> 00:55:02,079 - Nathan. - Ray... 693 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,654 - Nathan, please. Nathan. - Ray, turn around. Now. 694 00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:41,887 - What was that? - He needs me. 695 00:55:41,888 --> 00:55:45,030 No, nothing like that. You need you. 696 00:55:45,031 --> 00:55:46,529 More than ever. 697 00:55:48,479 --> 00:55:49,779 So, 698 00:55:50,751 --> 00:55:53,249 Nathan’s defense isn’t going to show the jury either 699 00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:54,960 pictures of Nathan from the police. 700 00:55:55,366 --> 00:55:57,761 But that is their asset. Because? 701 00:55:58,331 --> 00:55:59,660 I don't know. 702 00:55:59,661 --> 00:56:02,074 Maybe it will make it seem too disturbing to them? 703 00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:11,025 Ray, listen to me. 704 00:56:12,614 --> 00:56:15,794 I want you to have a life, one day, yours. 705 00:56:16,397 --> 00:56:21,397 And that life depends a lot on what happens next. 706 00:56:22,866 --> 00:56:26,636 We feel that your best chance now 707 00:56:27,655 --> 00:56:29,102 is to bear witness. 708 00:56:29,978 --> 00:56:33,106 I can only advise now. It's with you. 709 00:56:41,346 --> 00:56:42,700 Okay. 710 00:56:44,544 --> 00:56:45,844 Okay. 711 00:56:47,987 --> 00:56:49,287 Right. 712 00:56:50,528 --> 00:56:52,559 Ramsden will come after you. 713 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,453 And he won't give you anything. 714 00:56:55,533 --> 00:56:57,294 Look him in the eye. 715 00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:59,540 Stay calm. 716 00:56:59,541 --> 00:57:03,100 And think hard before you answer. 717 00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:09,050 Remember what you told me right after it happened? 718 00:57:11,624 --> 00:57:12,924 What... 719 00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:15,900 I lost control. 720 00:57:16,426 --> 00:57:17,726 Very well. 721 00:57:19,673 --> 00:57:21,733 Focus on you. 722 00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:23,718 Not Nathan. 723 00:57:24,528 --> 00:57:26,654 You are also not speaking for him. 724 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,868 Understood? 725 00:57:35,256 --> 00:57:36,656 Right. 726 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,350 Let me in, Veronica. 727 00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,350 Fuck me in! 728 00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:58,850 Let's talk! Open the door, let me in. 729 00:58:03,544 --> 00:58:05,424 Do you hear me from ي, Nathan? 730 00:58:06,958 --> 00:58:08,903 Get ready, boy. 731 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,700 Evil rabbit. 732 00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,700 Remember what Kerry told you. 733 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,999 Rafael, you're on trial for murder. 734 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,500 Understand it? 735 00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:04,500 Yes, I understand. 736 00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:08,744 Did you participate in what happened to your brother? 737 00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:12,898 I participated in what happened. 738 00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:15,090 Yes. 739 00:59:16,103 --> 00:59:18,353 Do you assume you killed a man? 740 00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:23,429 Yes, I assume. 741 00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:25,930 Were you afraid of this man? 742 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,500 Yes. 743 00:59:32,165 --> 00:59:34,443 After Scott Jameson was acquitted, 744 00:59:35,236 --> 00:59:37,145 did you want revenge? 745 00:59:39,298 --> 00:59:40,599 No. 746 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,691 But did something need to be done? 747 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,100 Speak out loud, please, for registration. 748 00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:51,087 I don't know. 749 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:53,434 Did they talk about violence? 750 00:59:53,435 --> 00:59:55,100 No. Never. 751 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,950 Nathaniel spent the entire time in the room. 752 01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,788 How was he when he went to your room that night? 753 01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:32,248 Mama said... Mama said 754 01:00:32,249 --> 01:00:34,633 that we should lock the doors because Scott... 755 01:00:34,634 --> 01:00:36,785 - Mama said Scott was going to... - Calm down. 756 01:00:36,786 --> 01:00:39,046 He would go to the cabin and pick up the ax again. 757 01:00:39,047 --> 01:00:40,898 - Calm down. - We have to lock everything, 758 01:00:40,899 --> 01:00:44,884 Scott went back to the cabin to get it over with. 759 01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,030 In between. 760 01:00:55,012 --> 01:00:56,632 For registration, please. 761 01:00:57,710 --> 01:01:01,622 He said that Scott threatened mom. 762 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,300 Which was common, as far as we know. 763 01:01:05,301 --> 01:01:09,767 And we only have her word, since she didn't want to testify. 764 01:01:10,895 --> 01:01:12,295 So... 765 01:01:13,084 --> 01:01:16,580 didn’t think killing Mr. Jameson was a little... 766 01:01:17,292 --> 01:01:18,678 extreme? 767 01:01:22,125 --> 01:01:23,535 I don't know. 768 01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:31,690 In your room, did you and Nathan talk about how you would act? 769 01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:51,079 We are only... 770 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:56,381 we go down and get the knives. 771 01:01:56,382 --> 01:01:58,207 Who decided? 772 01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:16,938 It was not planned. 773 01:02:19,114 --> 01:02:23,069 Your brother's condition, as far as we know... 774 01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:26,440 Who was more clear? 775 01:02:26,441 --> 01:02:28,720 Your honor. This is biased. 776 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,859 So, you went down 777 01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:40,570 and they found the victim lying down, sleeping soundly. 778 01:02:40,571 --> 01:02:42,609 What does not pose a threat. 779 01:03:03,662 --> 01:03:04,962 NO... 780 01:03:06,014 --> 01:03:07,366 Not at that time. 781 01:03:07,820 --> 01:03:11,170 It was not a threat at the time. 782 01:03:12,387 --> 01:03:14,357 And yet you stabbed him? 783 01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:18,352 Who led the attack? 784 01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:21,845 Look at me, Rafael, not your brother. 785 01:03:34,895 --> 01:03:36,195 We are only... 786 01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,227 We just went and attacked him. 787 01:03:44,625 --> 01:03:47,589 Did he just wake up? 788 01:03:49,007 --> 01:03:52,944 He had several defensive wounds on his arms. 789 01:03:56,023 --> 01:03:57,681 I don't remember. 790 01:03:57,682 --> 01:03:58,982 Only... 791 01:04:00,171 --> 01:04:01,788 Just happened. 792 01:04:01,789 --> 01:04:05,604 A man stabbed almost 70 times. 793 01:04:05,605 --> 01:04:08,865 The head was almost beheaded. 794 01:04:09,987 --> 01:04:12,093 And you don't remember? 795 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,993 Did this carnage just happen? 796 01:04:19,504 --> 01:04:22,205 Scott Jameson died in silence? 797 01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:24,980 - I don't remember. - But your intention was to kill him? 798 01:04:28,115 --> 01:04:31,116 Rafael McCullin, that night, 799 01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:35,302 the decision was for Scott Jameson to die. 800 01:04:48,347 --> 01:04:49,810 I lost control. 801 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,382 When did you lose control? 802 01:04:56,355 --> 01:04:57,954 I lost control 803 01:04:58,278 --> 01:05:01,373 before and during the attack. 804 01:05:08,031 --> 01:05:09,403 Just it. 805 01:08:32,456 --> 01:08:35,073 - Are you okay? - Me and my brother... 806 01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:38,139 we kill. 807 01:08:40,838 --> 01:08:45,172 We only heard one of the brothers. Rafael. 808 01:08:45,525 --> 01:08:50,438 Do not have sympathy influenced by his age. 809 01:08:51,023 --> 01:08:55,299 Ladies and gentlemen, this boy is a murderer. 810 01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,684 Scott Jameson was slaughtered... 811 01:08:58,129 --> 01:09:00,320 while sleeping. 812 01:09:00,835 --> 01:09:05,012 Rafael McCullin admitted, when testifying, 813 01:09:05,013 --> 01:09:09,132 his participation in that wild and diabolical act. 814 01:09:09,635 --> 01:09:14,383 This boy here had the ability. 815 01:09:14,384 --> 01:09:16,157 That is clear. 816 01:09:16,158 --> 01:09:19,904 And he is just as responsible as Nathaniel. 817 01:09:21,118 --> 01:09:25,766 And together, they planned to murder mercilessly 818 01:09:26,446 --> 01:09:31,446 a kind and caring father 819 01:09:33,302 --> 01:09:35,233 of two young children. 820 01:09:38,339 --> 01:09:41,517 These are the only facts to consider here. 821 01:09:55,055 --> 01:09:56,700 My friend 822 01:09:56,701 --> 01:10:00,275 used the word "responsibility". 823 01:10:02,263 --> 01:10:06,542 But who took that from Rafael here in this room? 824 01:10:08,224 --> 01:10:09,524 Their parents? 825 01:10:10,605 --> 01:10:13,343 An adult brother who has not witnessed? 826 01:10:13,664 --> 01:10:17,010 The police? This court? 827 01:10:17,711 --> 01:10:19,095 The services that circulated 828 01:10:19,096 --> 01:10:23,745 and failed to protect him and his family? 829 01:10:25,549 --> 01:10:27,615 Everyone is to blame here. 830 01:10:29,635 --> 01:10:31,965 And we are not here to solve the problem. 831 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,608 This arena, 832 01:10:36,313 --> 01:10:40,340 this Crown system is designed for a win. 833 01:10:41,167 --> 01:10:42,467 Or defeat. 834 01:10:42,888 --> 01:10:44,868 Guilt or innocence. 835 01:10:44,869 --> 01:10:47,328 Above all doubt. 836 01:10:47,846 --> 01:10:49,146 Binary. 837 01:10:49,731 --> 01:10:51,953 How to fight or flee. 838 01:10:52,753 --> 01:10:54,522 There is no room for nuance. 839 01:10:55,302 --> 01:10:59,902 There is no room for an emerging life lived in chaos. 840 01:11:00,974 --> 01:11:04,010 And what does it mean to lose control beyond that? 841 01:11:06,898 --> 01:11:10,721 A cornered boy 842 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:16,199 strikes back with the same anger and fury 843 01:11:16,564 --> 01:11:18,714 he feared for himself. 844 01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,652 THE FRENCH ATTACK OF MILER SCHOOLKID KILLER 845 01:12:00,653 --> 01:12:03,307 12-YEAR-OLD BOY IS JUDGED WITH BROTHER BY HOMIC DIO 846 01:13:07,907 --> 01:13:10,370 Do you want me to stay with you, Ray? 847 01:13:27,348 --> 01:13:28,907 Are you okay, Kerry? 848 01:13:31,615 --> 01:13:33,022 It's a strange question 849 01:13:33,023 --> 01:13:36,004 to ask me now, Rafael McCullin. 850 01:13:39,202 --> 01:13:41,590 Defendants, please stand. 851 01:13:46,664 --> 01:13:49,891 Jury members, in relation to Nathaniel McCullin, 852 01:13:49,892 --> 01:13:53,177 reached a verdict on which at least nine agreed? 853 01:13:53,650 --> 01:13:54,950 We arrived. 854 01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:57,242 For the charges of intentional murder, 855 01:13:57,243 --> 01:13:59,039 how do the defendant declare? 856 01:14:00,004 --> 01:14:01,304 Guilty. 857 01:14:03,666 --> 01:14:06,786 Regarding Rafael McCullin, they reached a verdict 858 01:14:06,787 --> 01:14:09,288 on which at least nine agreed? 859 01:14:10,014 --> 01:14:11,314 We arrived. 860 01:14:12,713 --> 01:14:15,737 For intentional murder, how do the defendant declare? 861 01:14:16,626 --> 01:14:17,926 Innocent. 862 01:14:21,824 --> 01:14:24,524 In the charge of manslaughter for loss of control, 863 01:14:24,525 --> 01:14:26,209 how do you declare the defendant? 864 01:14:27,250 --> 01:14:28,550 Guilty. 865 01:14:44,312 --> 01:14:45,715 All stand up! 866 01:14:53,138 --> 01:14:55,563 Nathan! 867 01:14:57,458 --> 01:14:58,758 Please. 868 01:15:03,989 --> 01:15:05,289 For me, 869 01:15:06,705 --> 01:15:10,762 How are Christie and Serena? Nobody wants to tell me. 870 01:15:11,582 --> 01:15:15,597 They are no longer with me. They took my babies, Ray. 871 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,674 Sorry, mom. 872 01:15:26,675 --> 01:15:28,374 I did it to protect you and Nathan, 873 01:15:28,375 --> 01:15:30,299 did to keep you and Nathan safe. 874 01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:32,054 Are you okay? 875 01:15:32,546 --> 01:15:35,560 I'm really sorry. 876 01:15:37,623 --> 01:15:40,289 It won't do if we're not all together, Ray. 877 01:15:46,287 --> 01:15:48,723 Mother, I'm sorry. 878 01:17:20,875 --> 01:17:24,429 That. Now stay straight. 879 01:18:37,608 --> 01:18:39,282 Cool drawing, my friend. 880 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,592 It is incredible to think that we are there, 881 01:18:44,543 --> 01:18:46,134 in the middle of everything. 882 01:18:48,431 --> 01:18:50,197 It is not our solar system. 883 01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:54,127 There is a theory 884 01:18:55,311 --> 01:18:57,799 that there are several other universes out there, 885 01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,100 it's not just this one. 886 01:19:00,008 --> 01:19:03,085 And in each of them, 887 01:19:03,086 --> 01:19:04,386 there is a "me" of ours, 888 01:19:07,484 --> 01:19:09,749 doing everything we could have done. 889 01:19:14,402 --> 01:19:15,702 It's good. 890 01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:18,385 It's a good thing, Ray. 891 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:50,451 You are a funny guy. 892 01:20:07,099 --> 01:20:08,399 He doesn't bite. 893 01:20:33,251 --> 01:20:34,691 When do your classes return? 894 01:20:37,601 --> 01:20:38,901 Tomorrow. 895 01:20:42,793 --> 01:20:45,256 You are smart, boy. Don't waste it. 896 01:20:51,045 --> 01:20:52,822 No more fights, okay? 897 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,932 No more fighting. 898 01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:19,800 You can sit if you want. 899 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,222 Stop it! 900 01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:02,400 NO! 901 01:22:07,075 --> 01:22:08,622 Stop it! 902 01:22:08,999 --> 01:22:11,015 - Stop it! - No! 903 01:22:11,016 --> 01:22:13,405 Stop Please! 904 01:22:13,406 --> 01:22:16,365 Ray, calm down. 905 01:22:17,150 --> 01:22:20,833 Ray, breathe. 906 01:22:20,834 --> 01:22:23,274 - It's okay, Ray. - No! 907 01:22:23,275 --> 01:22:26,749 - Everything is fine. - No! 908 01:22:26,750 --> 01:22:29,199 - Ray! - No! 909 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,578 You are here, you are in this body! 910 01:22:32,926 --> 01:22:36,159 You are in this room. In this room! 911 01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,239 Understood? 912 01:22:39,501 --> 01:22:42,001 You are safe, understand? 913 01:23:06,291 --> 01:23:07,591 How are you? 914 01:23:08,615 --> 01:23:09,915 Are you okay? 915 01:23:14,113 --> 01:23:15,958 I am, thank you. 916 01:23:17,140 --> 01:23:18,440 Good. 917 01:23:34,394 --> 01:23:36,181 Can I get a stamp, please? 918 01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:41,600 Thank you. 919 01:23:43,341 --> 01:23:47,054 FOR NATHANIEL MCCULIN 920 01:24:07,460 --> 01:24:08,760 Beauty. 921 01:24:16,225 --> 01:24:18,892 I don't want to be the person who did what I did. 922 01:24:22,259 --> 01:24:24,339 He's in another universe, friend. 923 01:24:25,701 --> 01:24:27,001 Understood? 924 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:29,700 Got it. 925 01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:36,335 - Can you stay here for a while? - Can. 926 01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:42,124 Drop it! 927 01:24:42,125 --> 01:24:44,815 Calm down, let's talk! 928 01:24:47,556 --> 01:24:49,854 THE MINIMUM AGE OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY, 929 01:24:49,855 --> 01:24:51,677 IN ENGLAND AND WALES, 930 01:24:51,678 --> 01:24:53,272 IT'S TEN YEARS. 931 01:24:54,725 --> 01:24:56,025 Calm down! 932 01:24:57,225 --> 01:24:58,525 Calm down! 933 01:24:59,950 --> 01:25:01,911 - Control it! - We will! 934 01:25:02,536 --> 01:25:03,836 IN 1995, 935 01:25:03,837 --> 01:25:07,034 THE CHILDREN'S RIGHTS COMMITTEE NA UNITED NATIONS DECLARED 936 01:25:07,035 --> 01:25:08,357 THAT'S THIS IS INCOMPAT VEL 937 01:25:08,358 --> 01:25:11,479 WITH THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD 938 01:25:19,663 --> 01:25:20,963 SINCE THEN 939 01:25:20,964 --> 01:25:24,105 7,057 CHILDREN, FROM 10 YEARS TO 14 YEARS, 940 01:25:24,106 --> 01:25:27,931 THEY WERE TAKEN TO JUDGMENT AT THE CROWN COURT.